Thanks all,
I know , I don't think she is ugly

ugly, she is just br.velvet ugly/ not good.
She has a nice size and shape though, and is such a cuddly little darling.
I try to be as honest as I possibly can with customers, and I would be reluctant to suggest she be used in breeding,except as Carleen said, with a good quality standard.
The other has beautiful coloring but a little smaller, and showing them both as br. velvets sure brings up questions from potential buyers.
Chatting about such things with you guys gives me betters ways to explain things.
It's just her veiling that's poor
Thanks a bunch
